Weight reduction and four-cylinder engines planned for next-gen Audi S4 and S5

 

2010 Audi A5 / Cabriolet

The new prices on Audi's mid-sized range start from $31,450 and range up to $48,850

The new prices on Audi's mid-sized range start from $31,450 and range up to $48,850

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Audi took the risky step of replacing the V8 engine in its sporty S5 range with a new supercharged V6. Sure the six-cylinder mill is lighter and more fuel-efficient but what about the prestige of a V8, not to mention the smoothness and aural delight? Audi believes its customers, current and future, will favor a smaller engine and will see this trend of downsizing carry over for its next-generation models.

Speaking with Car and Driver, Audi's global head of product engineering Michael Dick revealed plans for even more extreme downsizing. Dick explained that the company’s newly introduced 3.0L supercharged V6 TFSI engine is actually an "intermediate step" between the former 4.2L V8 and a new range of turbocharged four-cylinder engines. Future versions of the S4 and S5 will be 20% more fuel-efficient but will offer similar performance to the outgoing V8 models.

Smaller engine displacement isn’t the only avenue Audi is investigating as weight reduction is equally important for Audi. Take the new S5, the coupe weighs in at a hefty 3,800 pounds (1,723kg) while the Cabrio tips the scales at 4,300 pounds (1,950kg). According to Dick, Audi’s weight reduction goal for the next-generation of cars is 30%.

To reach this goal, Audi will employ more aluminum, magnesium, and high-strength steel in the construction of the cars. A prototype for the next S5 is already in testing and weighs up to 880 pounds (400kg) less than the current model. Styling of the car is expected to be similar to the A7 Sportback but overall size and proportions will be smaller. Unfortunately, we’ll have to wait until 2014 to see the debut of the new car.



 
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  1. I hope they don't dumb down the next-generation A4/A5 and only offer 4-bangers, not in this class! A 4-banger is OK if you can optionally upgrade to sixes and eights. There are not exonobox-type vehicles!
     
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  2. Weight reduction, yes! Turbo 4 in an S-level Audi, No! As a long time Audi owner (I'm on my fourth one), I've always thougth they need to be about 10% lighter, but I do not think buyers will pay S-level prices for 4 cylinder engines irrespective of output. In fact, I am crossing the S5 off my list since the V8 is going away. It's not about 0-60 or one engine's torque curve versus the other engine's torque curve for me. If I'm spending $60K, then I want the V8 sound, power and feel.
     
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  3. Weight reduction, yes! Turbo 4 in an S-level Audi, No! As a long time Audi owner (I'm on my fourth one), I've always thougth they need to be about 10% lighter, but I do not think buyers will pay S-level prices for 4 cylinder engines irrespective of output. In fact, I am crossing the S5 off my list since the V8 is going away. It's not about 0-60 or one engine's torque curve versus the other engine's torque curve for me. If I'm spending $60K, then I want the V8 sound, power and feel.

    The V8 is a dying engine
     
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  4. I agree with PAJ. If you can afford a V8, why not? We may not have them around in anything but the most expensive cars in the future.
     
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  5. This is a big mistake and disappointment from Audi, if this is the case. A four-banger, in a vehicle in this class, is poor, in any shape or form! Even if it has high HP ratings, the torque will still be much lesser, it'll be lumpier, thrashier and buzzier in it's performance and will have to work harder to maintain loads and demands, and, as a result, I can't see much, if any, MPG improvement in this case. The sixes and V8's handle the loads with ease and more confidence. Also a four doesn't have the cachet, and, especially to me, screams economy-car.

    Also a much lighter body; OK, a little weight-loss via some carbon-fiber & aluminum is OK, but much lesser weight scares me for possible sacrifice in safety, and also security and quality - a bumpier ride, and more road and wind noise resulting, too, a cheaper, chintizer feel. Also, I hope the overall size doesn't shrink, it'll have less room and more humble presence, which is not wanted in this class.

    If perhaps a V6 or V8 was offered as an upgrade over the four, be it turbo-boosted or not, that I can accept, but if a four-banger is a sole offering, than, that truly discredits the brand and model. To me, that's going down-market and/or backward! The A4/A5 would be down to a lower-end VW Passat or Jetta.

    I don't want to see a repeat of the malaise period of the 70s & 80s again and Audi, and other automakers go backwards - cars like Audis are NOT about humility!
     
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  6. They said the V8 was dead in the late 70s/early 80s too. I won't pay S-level prices for 4 bangers. If all that is available is a 4 cylinder, why pay up for an S badge? In a TT that's one thing. S4 / S5 is something else entirely.
     
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